Bjork writing music for Barney's next film...

topic posted Sat, May 7, 2005 - 7:02 PM by  Daniel
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    Bjork? Like her or not, I don't think she's even in the same league as Jonathan Bepler - We'll see...
    • She's sold records on popular music charts and club-kids bop around to her in delight - get over it and don't hold it against her.

      Bijork lacks the arty-pretention and inaccessability of Bepler, and honestly, I think that's about it.

      Their methods and means are completelly different, but they both push many boundaries and have each done amazing things. And, she's been doing it for many more years than Barney's been out of high-school.
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        Yeah, you're right in some ways... though I wasn't dissing Bjork for her lack of academic creds... I suppose her elaborately mannered style just rubs me the wrong way (and Barney's doesn't) - I saw her perform in the Sugarcubes (and liked her best then), bought her first two or three solo albums and wasn't so enchanted - Maybe I need to give her a fresh listen...
      • bjork is amazing in her own right and i'm eager to see what she does with the new barney film (assuming any of us ever get to see it, that is).

        for what it's worth though, i think bepler's work is superb and lends a tremendous amount of support to the films as cinematic works of art (vs video art sculptures). anyone trying to follow in bepler's footsteps will have a tough time living up. and i'm trying to imagine the cremaster films with the sort of artsy electronic pop songs (however original those songs may be within the context of their genre) that i associate with bjork and i just can't see it. of course i doubt that bjork would do what we (or i, given that i'm not a close listener of hers) typically associate with bjork . . .

        as for accessibility, i'm afraid i don't see anything inaccessible about bepler. in fact, i think a case could made that the music is much more accessible than the films themselves. the c2 soundtrack, with its atonal choirs, is, i take it, supposed to sound creepy & alienating and the c3 soundtrack is positively gorgeous in many places. the drones, the rich gaelic vocals . . . ah . . .

        all of this raises another question for me, though . . . to what extent do folks consider barney's work a kind of pop art? i don't at all -- i think he incorporates a lot of pop elements in his sculptures, but i see the art itself taking place on a purely virtual, formal, almost mathematical level. curious as to what others think, though . . .
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          Bepler's music for Cremaster 2 & 3 seems highly derivative to my ears - I hear echoes of Glass, Xenakis, Feldman, Ligeti... And yet, I don't hold this against him, because he executes his pastiche so masterfully (and there are original elements in there, or at least elements and manoevers I don't recognize from other sources) - I'm still curious to hear what music he's done apart from the three soundtracks released for Cremaster (I'd have to check the credits again but I don't believe he composed all the music for 1 & 4, though I love the Jackie Gleason style orchestral fantasia that serves as the score to 1, whoever wrote it)...

          Nah, I don't consider Barney to be pop art - his sources and visual language are too esoteric - sure, he occasionally makes use of pop cultural material like hardcore and metal music, automobiles, but not with the central sense of parody or irony that would characterize it as pop...

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